MVA Mango Hill (dialup warning! accident scene warning!)

[xerubus]

526a and 525a called out to a single vehicle mva on Anzac Avenue Mango Hill at around 2000hrs tonight. The male driver was pronounced dead on the scene. Speed was the major contributing factor. why can't they f#cking learn!

































cheers

[gstark]

Mark,

'Cos they're bloody morons!

How old (young) was the victim in this instance?

The shot of the tyre marks, running accross the road and off it, tell us more than we really need to know.

[birddog114]

How can we stop this? or we will be suffering in watching it daily.
They were enjoyed their toy and the public (we) pay for his expenses.

[glamy]

I was like that and have been lucky to survive, I am not sure I am completely out of it ( got to be frank...). I do not want to start a debate about speed, all I would say is that many of us went through that phase and to a degree we still enjoy some speed.
Gerard

[xerubus]

It amazes me how stupid people can be. i must have missed something when I was 18 but I never sped like that.... time to limit the power of cars that young kids can have if you ask me.

Gary - i didn't get his age, but by the look of him he only looked around 20. Those tire marks continue off for approximately 50m, which gives you an indication of speed. btw... please let me know if you would rather my PJ shots as links rather than pics due to the nature of the shots.

Birddog - it happens far too much and it's the emergency services that have to clean up the bloody mess and live with the images in their mind. no one deserves that.

cheers

[xerubus]

I was like that and have been lucky to survive, I am not sure I am completely out of it ( got to be frank...). I do not want to start a debate about speed, all I would say is that many of us went through that phase and to a degree we still enjoy some speed.
Gerard

Hi glamy.... don't get me wrong... i enjoy the rush of speed but not on the open road... can't this be done at a race track or another controlled environment?

thanks for your comment.. much appreciated..

cheers

[gstark]

Mark,

It amazes me how stupid people can be. i must have missed something when I was 18 but I never sped like that.... time to limit the power of cars that young kids can have if you ask me.

As can be easily seen by my choice of cars, I too enjoy driving quickly, but there's a time and a place for everything. Part of that comes with experience and learning to understand what good judgement is all about.

Gary - i didn't get his age, but by the look of him he only looked around 20. Those tire marks continue off for approximately 50m, which gives you an indication of speed. btw... please let me know if you would rather my PJ shots as links rather than pics due to the nature of the shots.

Mark, I respect and trust your judgement in these matters, and have no issues with anything that you've posted thus far. I'm sure that is something truly ugly comes along, your good judgement and experience will help you take the correct decision.

Birddog - it happens far too much and it's the emergency services that have to clean up the bloody mess and live with the images in their mind. no one deserves that.

Not to mention that someone gets the task of conveying the sad news to the victim's family. What a draining, depressing, thankless task that must be.

[fozzie]

xerubus - I do feel for the parents and other family members. Fortunately know one else was killed. Apart from all this, an excellent coverage with your shots.

[birddog114]

Birddog - it happens far too much and it's the emergency services that have to clean up the bloody mess and live with the images in their mind. no one deserves that.

I'm feeling sorry for those servicemen to face the horrible scenes everday in their professional and understood about the stress they have got, they brought back with them to their daily living.

xerubus,
I've been sleeping with the death bodies, my hands were soaked with human blood and breathing the air full of stinch from the decayed bodies when I was on many "Dustoff" flights (evacuation and rescue) in the war.
I was on NRMA and Westpac Care Flight Choppers few times in my early times in Australia and I retired, can't handle anymore, perhaps I'm now an old man.

[gstark]

perhaps I'm now an old man.

No way that you're old. I'm worried about what that would make me!

[Geoff]

Some very 'in your face' photos Mark, well captured! Very sad indeed. To be brutally honest, I too went through a stage in my younger years of enjoying speed. I was lucky to never be injured OR injure anyone else. In my profession now though I see the result of speed only too often. More often than not though, particularly in and around the city, it's not the drivers that suffer, but innocent pedestrians. We nearly got a patient last week in ICU, she didn't make it. 25 year old who was hit by a bus, they did CPR on her for more than 30 minutes. I understand the bus actually ran over her chest. Thanx for the insight into these well captured shots.

[glamy]

That's what I said: I do not want to get into an argument about speed. There are too many factors involved and we always get back to the same arguments anyway. We know speed kills, that's a fact.
No worries John, your comments were in no way offensive. You express a view shared by many, but I think this is more complex than that.
Cheers,
Gerard

[gstark]

We know speed kills, that's a fact.

Them's fighting words!

Speed, on it's own, doesn't kill.

Excessive speed for the prevailing conditions? That's a different story altogether.

Could somebody please tell the RTA that?

[glamy]

Gary,
You are right, but speed being subjective and all relative that's where common sense come in play. I think we share a similar view.
Gerard

[xerubus]

gentlemen... no need to argue about speed... we all have our views

geoff - thankyou for the comments.... much appreciated. I am trying to get better at the 'in your face' shots as i think that's what makes or breaks the pj work... if it doesn't stir an emotion the shot is not working.

i will post the newspaper articles in the next few days as i have already been contacted by three separate papers... they should give the full details of the incident.

cheers

[cordy]

We know speed kills, that's a fact.

Them's fighting words!

Speed, on it's own, doesn't kill.

Excessive speed for the prevailing conditions? That's a different story altogether.

Could somebody please tell the RTA that?

speed and driving outside your abilities AKA driving like a clown is what does it most of the time

Chris

[sirhc55]

Mark - another series of great photos albeit being rather sad.

I, like Gary, have driven a Mercedes SLK230 and I do love speed. But in saying that there are two things that spring to mind. Speed is more easily handled with experience and secondly it depends on the car.

My Merc could handle ”speed” more safely than my MGF - basically because it was built to a spec and as such cost $50,000 more than the MGF

[xerubus]

Mark - another series of great photos albeit being rather sad.

I, like Gary, have driven a Mercedes SLK230 and I do love speed. But in saying that there are two things that spring to mind. Speed is more easily handled with experience and secondly it depends on the car.

My Merc could handle ”speed” more safely than my MGF - basically because it was built to a spec and as such cost $50,000 more than the MGF

Thanks Chris....

cheers

[glamy]

Chris,
you've just given an example of the subjectivity and relativity of speed.
Cheers,
Gerard

[birddog114]

Chris,
you've just given an example of the subjectivity and relativity of speed.
Cheers,
Gerard

What? "SPEED"? we can buy them on the street or in the night club

[gecko]

Very sad images indeed, but thoughtfully captured. Thanks for sharing and for giving us an insight into your work xerubus.

One thing that caught my eye was the damage to the tree. The bark seems stripped off from quite a height perhaps indicating that the car hit the tree quite high, but overall there seems to be little apparent damage to the tree, given the severity of damage to the car....

Thought and feelings for loved ones grief....

Gecko

[gleff]

xerubus are you a firey, or just at the right place at the right time to get those shots?

Very compelling shots, especially once you mentioned that the person was DOA or whatever the term is.

Geoff

[xerubus]

xerubus are you a firey, or just at the right place at the right time to get those shots?

Very compelling shots, especially once you mentioned that the person was DOA or whatever the term is.

Geoff

no... not a firey however I am close to becoming one. My old man is a firey and I have multiple radios to keep up with what is going on. I also have contacts within emergency services that let me know if there is a news worthy incident occuring.

I am glad you appreciated the shots.... always nice to know that your work is stirring emotions that you intended for them to stir.

Very sad images indeed, but thoughtfully captured. Thanks for sharing and for giving us an insight into your work xerubus.

One thing that caught my eye was the damage to the tree. The bark seems stripped off from quite a height perhaps indicating that the car hit the tree quite high, but overall there seems to be little apparent damage to the tree, given the severity of damage to the car....

Thought and feelings for loved ones grief....

my pleasure. the reason the bark is missing up higher is the car was airbourne when it hit the tree. the vehicle is facing the opposite direction to what it was travelling which gives you an idea of how it landed the way it has. the limit in damage is because the car has ringbarked it's way around the tree rather than hit it directly.

cheers and thanks for the comments.

[gstark]

My Merc could handle ”speed” more safely than my MGF - basically because it was built to a spec and as such cost $50,000 more than the MGF

My Merc, and my Alfas, all handle speed with comfort, grace, and ease. They're designed to be driven fast.

A '63 MGB that I owned was able to be driven at somewhat high speeds, but not in safety. It handled like a POS, and the backend had the sophistication of a 1958 Leyland bus.

My '85 Maserati Biturbo was, absolutely, the fastest car I've owned or driven, but there were two rules you needed to obey with that vehicle. Never, ever, take it out when the road was wet, and never point it at a corner.

A Nissan EXA Turbo that I test drove once convinced me to not buy this car. Brand new, capable of very high speeds, but it didn't want to stay on the road at anything much above 130kph. The suspension was not engineered or designed to cope with the power at hand, and the car was, IMHO, an accident looking for somewhere to happen.

And a Hyundai that I rented in Melbourne not so long ago wanted to fall off a freeway entry ramp at a piddling 45kph.

[robboh]

Xerubus. Its hard to say that these are 'good' images due to the subject matter, but they are good, if that makes sense?? The skid-marks shot was the one that I found the most evocative.

Speed. Yes, well, we've all been there and done that when we were younger I guess. Some of us possibly were lucky not to hurt ourselves or others.

Ive had an acquaintances lose a leg on a bike (left passing a car and hitting a truck), others who were always seeming to have incidents with cars and others who were outright killed. I decided very early on that the intelligent place to find the boundaries was on a racetrack (karts and bikes) and that riding 10/10th's on the road was a mugs game.

Gary is right here, experience does bring with it a more intelligent application of speed in appropriate situations. Here in NZ, the age you can get a learners license is 15 (though I think you have to be accompanied until you get a restricted ~9 months or more later). Bikes run on a similar graduated system as well, with CC-rating restrictions until you have a full license.

I personally believe there should be some sort of power restricition put in place for car licenses as well, similar to the bikes. Having 16yo's hooning around in a 200+HP car is a recipie for disaster! On the other hand, policing and legislating that sort of thing would be a nightmare.

I also believe the driving tests should be generally harder and some sort of advanced driving course that has car control as part of the syllabus should be compulsory for a full license as well.

The problems arent just bad roads, drinking drivers or speed (which is what the ad's on tv here would have you believe). They are attributable to a combination of the above, along with high-performance cars, young/inexperienced drivers and very questionable general driving skills/judgement (not only young drivers either).
</steps off soap box>

Apologies for the rant, this is one of my personal hobbyhorses.
Rob

[Atorie]

These are good captures, they portray the event and the destructions of death. I think these are some of the best PJ shots that i've seen of yours to date... I guess it helps that you were able to get close to your subject in this case.

High speed belongs on the track, thats the only place I'm a lead foot. Had too many acquaintances sustain lifelong injuries or death from being stupid on the roads. Driving at high speed on public roads has nothing to do with your own or your cars ability, those things are subjective, the danger on public roads is the unknown, the variables that we cannot control, ie. other drivers/cars, pedestrians, road not design for speed... its just not safe... a day at the track is a controlled environments... you don't have to try and spot the car car coming in the other direction or run the lights... I dont think performance restrictions are the ideal solution, but then i dont know what is. [/rant]

[embi]

I "like" these too. My only thing would be maybe blur the license plate!

[xerubus]

thankyou embi and Atorie for your comments... much appreciated.

cheers.

[gstark]

High speed belongs on the track, thats the only place I'm a lead foot. Had too many acquaintances sustain lifelong injuries or death from being stupid on the roads. Driving at high speed on public roads has nothing to do with your own or your cars ability, those things are subjective, the danger on public roads is the unknown, the variables that we cannot control, ie. other drivers/cars, pedestrians, road not design for speed... its just not safe... a day at the track is a controlled environments... you don't have to try and spot the car car coming in the other direction or run the lights... I dont think performance restrictions are the ideal solution, but then i dont know what is. [/rant]

Precisely what I first said - excessive speed for the conditions.

[xerubus]

i'm going to stir up a bees nest here because this media release by the QPS has really p!ssed me off...!!

Fatal accident, Mango Hill: The Accident Investigation Squad will continue investigations into the cause of fatal single-vehicle traffic accident overnight. Around 7.50pm the 32-year-old male driver was travelling north on Anzac Avenue when he lost control of his car. The car crossed the median strip where it rolled across the southbound lanes and came to rest near a tree. The man died at the scene.

i have a number of gripes with this and i'm sure i will pay for bringing it up... but what a crock of sh!t !! a) anzac ave runs due East - West. b) strait brake marks do not imply rollover in my seamingly uneducated opinion. c) '... came to rest near a tree.' .... my first-person 'viewpoint' was that the vehicle became part of the tree... not came to rest NEAR the tree.

please do not get me wrong... to the family i am deeply sorry for your loss.. however this sort of media puts a nice sugar coating over the top of the fact that speed in an uncontrolled environment kills!!

my apologies... but i needed to get this off my chest... sigh. Gary... if I am crossing the line please feel free to delete this post.

kind regards and stay safe...

-Mark

[xerubus]

Article for those that follow the media:



cheers

[embi]

Well done on being published again

[xerubus]

just need to figure out how to get published without it being at someone else's expense.....

thanks mate...

[Atorie]

Congrats on being published again. What paper was that?
Well if people dont take these pics then drives may not know the consequences of their actions.

[xerubus]

Congrats on being published again. What paper was that?
Well if people dont take these pics then drives may not know the consequences of their actions.

Local rag... Pine Rivers Press

[atencati]

526a and 525a called out to a single vehicle mva on Anzac Avenue Mango Hill at around 2000hrs tonight. The male driver was pronounced dead on the scene. Speed was the major contributing factor. why can't they f#cking learn!

I would guess it was the rapid deceleration was more an issue than the speed itself. We have a huge street ra go out on these calls daily.cing problem out here right now and we go out on these calls daily. Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done other than punish parents who raise irresponsible kids and buy them fast cars...LIFE GOES ON.

A

[xerubus]

for anyone interested....

Same article from a different paper with a different picture:



cheers

[birddog114]

Mark,
Great to see your photos published!
Do you get pay for these works?

[xerubus]

Mark,
Great to see your photos published!
Do you get pay for these works?

Hi Birddog.... for some of the work.... but these were submitted to the local rags for free.

cheers

[Raskill]

Great photos, good to see them published. Pity other 'kids' won't learn from them, until it's them or their good friends killed and trapped in the drivers seat.

I wish that seeing pics like that still had some sense of shock for me, but like you I'm going to more than enough accidents down here in NSW. Do you need to have some form of permission to carry out your photographic work at the scenes from the Fire Brigade upper management?

[xerubus]

Do you need to have some form of permission to carry out your photographic work at the scenes from the Fire Brigade upper management?

you need to have permission to go onto the incident site, but outside of this area where all the rubber neckers are it is public and fine.

cheers

[xerubus]

Turned out to be a very interesting day today.... I feel like I've done my little part

I received a phone call from the Accident Investigation Squad requesting that I bring in all shots which I took from the incident. At first I was a little bit worried, but I was later advised that I managed to get some shots which they needed for the coroner report and did not have.

Nice to feel important for all of an hour or so...

[birddog114]

Turned out to be a very interesting day today.... I feel like I've done my little part

I received a phone call from the Accident Investigation Squad requesting that I bring in all shots which I took from the incident. At first I was a little bit worried, but I was later advised that I managed to get some shots which they needed for the coroner report and did not have.

Nice to feel important for all of an hour or so...

You can send them a bills for those.

[xerubus]

Turned out to be a very interesting day today.... I feel like I've done my little part

I received a phone call from the Accident Investigation Squad requesting that I bring in all shots which I took from the incident. At first I was a little bit worried, but I was later advised that I managed to get some shots which they needed for the coroner report and did not have.

Nice to feel important for all of an hour or so...

You can send them a bills for those.

hahaha... i don't think so.... they would have got a supina to get them if i didn't hand them over....